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y2dom - October 4, 2007 02:50 PM (GMT)
You prob saw in the news today that Lewis Hamilton is being investigated by the FIA for his driving on Sunday following the safety car?

My personal views on this, is why cant they leave the chap alone. Looking at the footage.. he does seem to brake alot but how many times has he lead behind the safety car. Its his first year at the top... and all the time they even say it.. he is a rookie.. People make mistakes.

Why cant the people who crashed accept they crashed and let it rest. But my opionon is jealousy on there behalf.

This years F1 season has just been full of moaners.

Makes me wana switch off.. it really does.

monty - October 4, 2007 02:54 PM (GMT)
yeh it sucks

this year was shaping up to be awesome but.............then ferrari spat out there dummy as they wernt getting there own way now all this crap!

its all so erm.........well female!!!!! :gay:

Jedi Master - October 4, 2007 03:11 PM (GMT)
I agree with all of that. :clap:

I long for the days when racing was purely that: RACING!!!

The commentators didn't speak about the rules and the restrictions. There was too much excitment watching people break course records and wondering who was going to follow the mighty Ayrton Senna.

I wish they would leave Hamilton alone. He's been the first bit of true talent for a long time in my opinion, and I hope that he has the resilience and the mental strength to shame all of the other so call professionals in this game to realise that they are missing the point: This is Formula 1!!! It's the fastest, toughest, and most dangerous motorsport in the world!!! We want to see drivers on the edge, risking their lives, doing something we all wish we could!!!!

Oh well, thats my rant for the day!!! :joker:

:thumbs_up: :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:


Matt - October 4, 2007 03:46 PM (GMT)
i gave up on f1 long ago :lol:

STR33TRAC3R - October 4, 2007 04:20 PM (GMT)
I think he should loose points, pretty much every other F1 driver thinks he should loose points. It will be a biased opinion from the FIA as they are pretty much British.
Mclaren drivers should of been docked points for having Ferrari notes.
The way i see it is that he has been getting away with it so far and no doubt he will get away with this as well.
I think it was Kubica who got a drive through penalty for following the racing line through a corner clipping Hamilton off the track who was traveling well wide.
It's not that their jealous more that the FIA don't give a dam because they arn't at the front of the grid.

It's deffinatly not the most dangerous motorsport in the world ralling and motor cycling takes way more lives and for me is way more exciting.
What happened to the days with tons of down force, slicks and the cars touching the floor, with sparks flying from the under carriage.

y2dom - October 4, 2007 04:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (STR33TRAC3R @ Oct 4 2007, 04:20 PM)
I think he should loose points, pretty much every other F1 driver thinks he should loose points. It will be a biased opinion from the FIA as they are pretty much British.
Mclaren drivers should of been docked points for having Ferrari notes.
The way i see it is that he has been getting away with it so far and no doubt he will get away with this as well.
I think it was Kubica who got a drive through penalty for following the racing line through a corner clipping Hamilton off the track who was traveling well wide.
It's not that their jealous more that the FIA don't give a dam because they arn't at the front of the grid.

It's deffinatly not the most dangerous motorsport in the world ralling and motor cycling takes way more lives and for me is way more exciting.
What happened to the days with tons of down force, slicks and the cars touching the floor, with sparks flying from the under carriage.

I read that the worker who got sacked from ferrari has admited he saw inside information from Mclaren.

This is the link i saw it. : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7027318.stm

It just seems like the Mclaren and Ferrari show at the moment.

I dont wana try sound biased about hamilton. But i will say that he is a true talent.

He is quite dedicated to his work.

I find you get alot of jealousy in all job's.. This one not being an exception

STR33TRAC3R - October 4, 2007 08:20 PM (GMT)
Last time i checked Fernando Alonso won back to back world championships and is only 25. He is way more of a talent if you do it by points instead of opinion.
He is a true talent as well, his first F1 race was in a Minardi in 2001.
Lewis Hamilton is more of a machine, he has been sponsered by Mclaren since he was about eight years old. Anyone with that kind of backing would be a good race driver. That kind of backing leads me to think Hamilton is Mclarens main priority, putting back to back world champion in pretty much the second seat. This is no doubt why they have been having such trouble with the drivers.

Personally i believe this new thing about Ferrari seeing Mclaren information is a smoke screen. It would of come out at the previous trail if their were wrong doing. Of course i could be wrong

monty - October 4, 2007 08:32 PM (GMT)
lol ffs now were all falling into the political bullshite too!!

lets just watch the shiny cars go round the track quickly and enjoy it shall we :)

Jono - October 5, 2007 09:17 AM (GMT)
what a load of bullshit this is it was hamiltons fault webber crashed out of the race and he is driving like a p**ck watch the clip from side of track see how close he is to the safety car meant to be minimum 5 car lengths. I dont think he is a good driver i just think he joined f1 at the right time in the right car would he be as much noticed if he started the season in a spyker?????

of course ron dennis is gonna make him look better than alonso as well as he is his golden boy.

japanese crash

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 5, 2007 09:41 AM (GMT)
i think ur all missing the point...
it doesnt matter if its Hamiltons fault or not...
he will NOT get penalised anyway

he is the Chosen 1 of the FIA
handpicked by Bernie himself to win the World Drivers Championship...

he is coated in the FIA Teflon
no case agenst him will stick and he will always come out smelling like roses... look at the spy saga... McLaren lose all there points but the drivers dont and the drivers are the ones that gained the most out of it..... and thats only because Lewis Hamilton (AKA Teflon) was 1 of the drivers...

look at the Bullshit penalty Kubica got in Japan when he accidently aquaplaned into the side of Lewis in the pouring rain... but Vettel didnt get a drive through when he did the same thing to Alonso few laps ealier.... both where copy book examples of "RACING INCIDENTS" that should carry NO penalty... unless its agenst Teflon then its straight to the "Penalty Luck Dip Bowl" for the driver who dares to race agenst Hamilton

this is becoming total bullshit... i think theres a much more quicker and cheaper way of "racing" and its about as fair too....

2pm Sunday afternoon of the "race" every driver (except Teflon) goes to the stewards office where they will reach into the "Penalty Lucky Dip Bowl" and and the race is sorted based of how many seconds the penalty is and the whole thing will b over by 2:10pm....

penaltys can include
"in the heavy rain u aquaplane into the side of Lewis Hamilton through no fault of ur own lose 25 seconds"
"in the heavy rain u aquaplane into the side of another car but its only Alosno lose 2 seconds"
"u run into another car but its only Massa lose 1 second"
"u tour around the track without any incidents lose 0.5 seconds"

thats how this so called "racing" is being run now anyway would save alot of time and money....

monty - October 5, 2007 10:28 AM (GMT)
so hes the new schumacher then right??

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 5, 2007 11:18 AM (GMT)
ummm... Schuamcher lost all his points in 1997 he also had to start the race from P22 at Monza last year plus dont 4get the black flag at the British GP back in 94 or 95 theres alot of other things as well he was only 90% Teflon.... Hamilton is 100% Teflon.....

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 5, 2007 12:17 PM (GMT)
From an interview with Kovalainen

Q. Just back to Fuji for one moment, there were reports that you were asked by the team to not attack Lewis late in the race, and to hold station in second place. Can you clarify that?

HK: Yeah, that was not actually what the team told me. What I meant to say was, not to go too close to Hamilton and not to be alongside him behind the safety car. Nobody told me that I am not allowed to overtake. Of course I am allowed to overtake.

But the reason I stayed on that side of Lewis behind the safety car was because he was doing a little bit of this [makes speeding up and slowing down movements with hands], so I felt safer on the other side of him.

Sometimes I was on the left hand side, sometimes I was on the right hand side, because he was doing a little bit of moving around and I wanted to avoid hitting him. Even in a straight line it was difficult to see where he was going, so I stayed on the side just in case.

Q. I understand that the FIA instructed your team to tell you not to get too close to Lewis. Why wouldn't the FIA simply inform Lewis to keep a five-car gap between himself and the safety car, as per the rules?

HK: Honestly, you would need to ask Charlie [Whiting] from the FIA. I don't know why. I was surprised to hear from my team that I had a warning from the FIA to not get too close to Lewis. I was surprised, because I didn't feel I was causing any danger to anyone.

Of course when the restart is about to happen I am going to be there every time because I want to try to make a move as soon as I can, and I was trying to be as close as possible to him. But I don't know why no one said anything to Lewis.

Q. Is that strange, or is it normal under the safety car?

HK: I don't want to say anything about that. Honestly, it's not my business. All I heard was that my team was telling me to take it easy with him.

Q. Can the FIA track Hamilton's behaviour by telemetry?

HK: It's never easy, but they should be able to see quite clearly what he did. I guess they have been going through it a lot. For me, I'm not going to make the decision, so it's going to be difficult to say. But like I said, whatever decision they make, I hope they make and I hope we learn from this. If I get the win, great. If I don't it's still OK. We just have to move on after this.

Q. Do you think that the storm that is brewing against Lewis after Fuji is because of what he did, or because of the situation in the closing part of the championship?

HK: It's also a difficult question for me to answer. I have not been getting involved with the whole thing too much. My team is handling the situation in how they feel is the right way to do it, and I don't know about the reaction from the other teams. That's all I can say.

STR33TRAC3R - October 5, 2007 12:31 PM (GMT)

STR33TRAC3R - October 5, 2007 12:42 PM (GMT)
Do you think Lewis Hamilton would ever get out his car and do this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nFjE6IaH7ZU&mode=related&search=

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 5, 2007 01:26 PM (GMT)
The FIA have confirmed that Lewis Hamilton will not be punished for allegedly driving erratically behind the Safety Car during last week's Japanese GP.


In a statement, stewards declared that conditions were so bad that it would be 'inappropriate' to punish any of the drivers involved in the crash between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel.


As a result, not only has Hamilton avoided an penalty, but Vettel will not have to serve the ten grid-slot penalty imposed by stewards at Fuji for this weekend's Chinese GP. The youngster has instead received a 'reprimand'.


Hamilton currently leads the World Championship by twelve points and is poised to become the first rookie to win the title.

monty - October 5, 2007 02:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (STR33TRAC3R @ Oct 5 2007, 01:42 PM)
Do you think Lewis Hamilton would ever get out his car and do this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nFjE6IaH7ZU&mode=related&search=

Jesus what a stupid question!

thats Dave Purley tryin to save his friend Roger Williamson (who did die in this accident) in the 70's im pretty sure that if Hamilton had a friend in the same situation he would also do all he could yeh!

i think your all being a little hard on the bloke ffs after all whatever you may think of the FIA or McLaren or whatever Hamilton hasnt personally done anthing nasty or untoward has he all he has done is become succesful in his first season of F1 and worked his whole life to get to this piont ?????


Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 5, 2007 02:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (monty @ Oct 6 2007, 01:01 AM)
Hamilton hasnt personally done anthing nasty or untoward has he

maybe slagging off his team mate to the press and also not following team orders and other little things doesn't help his course with the fans....

monty - October 5, 2007 02:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Stone Cold Spider 3:16 @ Oct 5 2007, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (monty @ Oct 6 2007, 01:01 AM)
Hamilton hasnt personally done anthing nasty or untoward has he

maybe slagging off his team mate to the press and also not following team orders and other little things doesn't help his course with the fans....

and that differs from other drivers how???

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 5, 2007 03:39 PM (GMT)
Raikkonen and Massa havnt slagged each other off to the press
neaither has Kubica and Heidfeld or Fisichella and Kovalainen or Wurz and Rosberg or Trulli and R. Schuamcher or any other team for that matter.... Hamitlon has done alot of pot sturing this year in the media and in nearly every interview hes taken a cheap shot at Alonso

Hamilton has alot of driving talent but he needs to switch off that RonBot 1.0 brain implant during interviews

STR33TRAC3R - October 5, 2007 04:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (monty @ Oct 5 2007, 02:01 PM)
Jesus what a stupid question!

im pretty sure that if Hamilton had a friend in the same situation he would also do all he could yeh!

I don't think it is a stupid question, i don't believe Lewis Hamilton is the sort to ask if a guy was alright after a crash.
I have even seen stone hearted Micheal Schumacher run over to a driver still sitting in his crashed car to see if he was okay.

Lewis Hamilton deffinatly doesn't have any friends actually on the F1 starting grid.
Even fellow Brit Jenson Button bashed Hamilton for his reckless driving.

But like stone cold spider predicted he got away with it. They arn't going to penalize him, on the news they said Lewis spat his dummy out and was saying he was going to quit F1 because he didn't like all the in fighting. What a baby!

12th demon - October 5, 2007 07:11 PM (GMT)
basically bernie is pumping money at hamilton and mclaren as he wants a british person to take the title and make history,
first black champion
first rookie season champion
mclarne are britsh so is mclaren and bernie
and the fact that he threatened to quit f1 if he was penalised has ruined the chances of an awesome brazil round because if he was droppe to 10th or so next race the champ would be wide open but looks like hel probably win it now

GO KIMI!!!

12th demon - October 5, 2007 07:14 PM (GMT)
STR33TRAC3R: i dont think u can actually ask that question lets be realistic. you may say now that ud get ur friend out of that car but really would u have the guts and be able to react and do that?
its a case of easier said than done

although im a kimi fan. hamilton has been awesome since karting and deserves to do well,
people should lay off of him but to be fair hes a rookie and people make mistakes and thats what i think the safecty car incident was so maybe he should of got a grid drop or something but as i said in my other post that wasnt happening

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 6, 2007 12:55 AM (GMT)
u forgot one 12th...

Lewis would become to youngest ever champion....

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 6, 2007 10:08 AM (GMT)
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russmini - October 6, 2007 10:36 AM (GMT)
:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

STR33TRAC3R - October 6, 2007 02:55 PM (GMT)
I'm having that.

STR33TRAC3R - October 6, 2007 02:57 PM (GMT)
How longs it take to come up?

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 7, 2007 12:54 AM (GMT)
HAHAHAHAHAHAA

STR33TRAC3R - October 20, 2007 11:10 AM (GMT)
Lewis Hamilton gets away with it again.

It's against the rules to use more than one set of tires during practice, Lewis Hamilton uses two sets of wets.

FIA's ruling, Mclaren to pay £10,000, fair justice, fair justice my arse!

12th demon - October 20, 2007 11:29 AM (GMT)
should start from the back of the grid. thats what the fia rule book says but noooo hamilton as usual gets a slap on the wrist and thats it.

alans_savage - October 20, 2007 11:35 AM (GMT)
why just pick on hamilton there was 3 drivers involved in this

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 20, 2007 12:25 PM (GMT)
i thought F1 was ment to b a TEAM sport.... every1 within the team gets punished but Lewis..... and dont give me that "it wasnt lewis's fault" crap..... what about when a car comes back underweight after a race is that the drivers fault??? no but he still gets DQed from the race.....

i know that there are other drivers involved and Button and Sato should both up and personally thank Lewis cause if it was just those 2 they would b -10 grid spots.....

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STR33TRAC3R - October 21, 2007 03:34 PM (GMT)
Lewis Hamilton get's in Kimi Raikkonen's way during his final flying lap putting him back in third.
Kimi Raikkonen was faster in the first and second qualifying sessions so it would make sense that Kimi Raikkonen would of been faster in the third as well.

Ferrari lauch a dispute.

FIA ruling: No penalty.

LMAO

12th demon - October 21, 2007 09:12 PM (GMT)
do you know anything about formula one?

y2dom - October 21, 2007 09:43 PM (GMT)

monty - October 21, 2007 09:50 PM (GMT)
Formula 1 really has got boring all moaning and whining like big bad loser girls i cant even be arsed watchin it anymore :angry:

BTCC is so much better all about the racing and no bitch team managers starting investigations into this and that bollox all the time :thumbs_up:

alans_savage - October 22, 2007 06:30 AM (GMT)
i have to agree with you there monty btcc is soo much more entertaining watched it the other day enjoyed it alot more than f1

STR33TRAC3R - October 22, 2007 07:02 AM (GMT)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63547

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So that means Lewis Hamilton has won? They did say the cars failed, but then it say's the FIA have decided on a no penelty!

I have to say i find it hard to believe that Frank Williams would cheat. I don't blame the race managers or drivers.
I blame the FIA bullshit officals.

Crippled old Frank Williams cheat. NEVER! i don't believe it.

And yes 12th demon i know a little about F1

Stone Cold Spider 3:16 - October 22, 2007 11:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alans_savage @ Oct 22 2007, 05:30 PM)
i have to agree with you there monty btcc is soo much more entertaining watched it the other day enjoyed it alot more than f1

theres not racing its BTCC its all bashing.....
all the races ive watched(and yes ive watched a lot) i havnt seen 1 overtaking maneuver that didnt involve the guy behind using the guy in front as a break of some sort

its more a demo derby than a racing series :D



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